He Quit Law for Music. Now His Comedy Books Are Becoming Films | Steven Trio

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Hi and welcome to all of the conversations as usual with me, Chris Dabbs.

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Now, today we've got, I think it's going to be quite a good fun actually, so listen up

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because if you were to laugh, I think Steven's the guy who's going to give it to you.

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Now, let me introduce in first of all, not that I'm setting you up to fail here, Steven,

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but anyway, Steven Trio's route into writing isn't exactly conventional, I have to say.

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So, first of all, okay, slightly conventional, you hated school, but unconventionally,

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you discovered the piano at eight and was composing by 14 and you wanted to become a musician,

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which is amazing. His father, however, thought, I don't think so, he should find something

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a little more respectable first, right? So, Steven, you qualified as a solicitor,

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Chobbalee is everyone, six months later, he quit that. I mean, you go through all of the,

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all of that work to become a solicitor and then you quit. But what followed was a career

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as a contemporary pianist, a composer, and eventually another creative direction writing,

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writing comedy, satire, and some wonderfully strange stories, I've got to say. So, it's amazing,

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isn't it? You know, you can go from really just following a contemporary career and then becoming

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a pianist and composer and basically doing what you wanted to do in the first place.

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Now, Steven's books range from political fasts to illustrated comic verse, featuring everything

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from Lonely Lungs, which obviously made me chuckle, and clouds complaining about aeroplanes,

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which actually made me think, I have to say. So, Steven Trio, welcome to all of the conversations,

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I think we're going to have some good fun, oh, wait. We are indeed. Well, I'm very pleased to

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meet you and to be here. And let's get cracking them. Okay, cool. Well, yeah, absolutely. Well, Steven,

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you say that you hated school, right? You say you learnt absolutely nothing and were, oh yes.

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Effectively plonked in front of a piano at eight. Now, plonked for our people who are

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necessarily from our nick of the woods, you'll have to explain what that means as well. But that piano

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seems to have changed everything in your life, isn't it? I mean, what was it about music that grabbed you

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when school clearly couldn't and start with explaining what plonked means? Well, my parents came from a

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tradition when this is going back a long, long way. Maybe I don't want to mention dates and years

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and stuff. However, it was pretty everything pretty much and it was the tradition to put kids onto

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instruments, whether it was a violin or the flute, ukulele or the piano. And so a piano appeared in our

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house and my sister and I were deposited on the keyboard. My sister, who was three years older than me,

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she put her hands on the piano and decided to give up her music career instantly. She said,

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"This is not for me." Then it became my turn and I put my hands on the piano and I had a strange

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sensation like I am back with an old friend. But I was so young I couldn't articulate

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the feeling or the emotion whether it's like a deja vu feeling or something but it's like I'm with

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an old friend and I was natural piano player from the beginning. I couldn't play much. My hands were

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small but my parents brought in a a water-chinned tight-bunned old-age lady piano teacher to teach myself

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some piano and what she noticed was he said to my parents, "Well, he's a natural." The only thing was

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is that what she taught was scales and arpeggios and little classical pieces and by the time I was 12

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I was utterly demoralized because something had already set in whereby I couldn't articulate it.

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I couldn't enunciate it but there was something that was saying that me and the piano are going to be

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together in some form and she was teaching me this stuff and I would, it drove me into the ground and by

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the age of 12 I was demoralized and it's not good for a 12-year-old to be demoralized with life already.

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It's a little bit early but something had gone missing and I didn't know what it was at that point

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but it was enough to, I gave up the piano lessons and then I started to just drift. We were at school

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of course at that age and and then other things happened and I had friends who were getting into

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music and so on and then it drifted back into my life in a completely unexpected, unpredictable,

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amazing way. It's sort of a little bit like divine intervention is the only way I can describe it

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because I didn't know that I had the ability to compose music or to improvise and yet when I first

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started to hear that music from friends and we were like 12 years old I was listening to some blues

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record and I thought what on earth is this music and what happened was that my father had bought me a

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cheap very cheap small record player the early days of vinyl and my friend lent me this record

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and he said listen to this, see what you think I put it on the turntable and I fell in love with it

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and I was only 12 ish 13 and it was country blues American and I totally related to it and from the

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record I would play it and play it I would play a phrase and I went to the piano and I found the notes

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on the piano and I went backwards and forwards and backwards until I was starting to play some blues

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phrases on the piano and I absolutely decided I am going to beat a blues piano player that is it

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I'm done that's my future but I was only say 13 14 and what lies ahead of you at that age is like at

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least five years of slugging it out with GC's and A levels school examinations none of which I

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understood nobody ever asked me and I'm sure it's the price to most kids well what do you want to do

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what are you interested in what are your talents this never came up it's like you're on your own

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and you're young but somehow I knew but how I didn't have any how life worked how I would translate my

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feelings into action what do you do so began a journey of really having to finish school and get it

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out of the damn way because it was just a distraction because it didn't help me in what I wanted to do

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well my father comes into play here because he came up in life the hard way and from a young age

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he didn't have a schooling he had to go out to work early and earn money and bring it back

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on the table so the family could eat that was his background and he his thing was if ever I have kids

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they're not going to go through what I went through if I have a son he's going to get a good job

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and not suffer the way that other people including himself had suffered

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but here was the issue because he was a frustrated lawyer he loved the law

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and he would have loved to become a lawyer and that was never going to happen not with his life so

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to the senses so what did he do he foistish his goal onto his son and I proved to be intelligent

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enough to get through the examinations I mean I I pulled it off but we had a sort of a bargain

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and emotional blackmail it was heavy scene where as a youngster I had no idea how to form a band

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what to do how to make money for music I just had this romantic notion that I'm going to play

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music and we came to a bargain he said listen playing music it's a little bit of a joke you're not

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going to make any money at this let's be real this was his attitude so he said look get a great career

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behind you and do music as a hobby how what's wrong with that so I in my blissful ignorance

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and not old enough to take on my father who was quite a strong character I wasn't I wasn't up to

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that to tell him to so basically I buckled and I said well okay I don't see a way out there's a door

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there but I I don't know any other way except to go through this door to the other side which is

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to complete this thing let's do this bargain make him happy and then I do my own thing

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and that is what happened but there was a heavy price to pay because the day came when I qualified could

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he imagine how happy he was so it was a big moment for him I mean my mom was my ally really she

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whatever I wanted to do she was fine she had to go along with my father's wishes and this thing but

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that came a point when I couldn't take any more of working in the office this office life wearing a

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suit you know it's like I know I'm a musician come on and I started to screw up work cases and I was

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working on things weren't going right and the senior partner was it was very much like a father figure

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he was very perceptive of all the staff and he had a lot of youngsters working there as article

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clerks you know and he spotted that I wasn't happy and one day I got a call to go up to his office

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the senior partner and he said to me Stephen are you happy I said no he said what is it you actually

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want to do I said I want to do music he said I'm letting you go you're free to leave

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by that time I had qualified and I was there for about six months after the qualification but that

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moment was like getting it let out of jail I ran into Fleet Street I was running all taken off my

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suit jacket chuck it in the bin tear off my tie you know I was now it was music but of course I had a

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tremendous challenge how to explain this to my father yeah can I just let me just pick you up

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and something there is quite interesting I mean now solicitor I would have thought it was just like

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a family solicitor but from what you're explaining it's a bit more than that I mean you what you

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were trained to be a barrister then at that time in the 1970s I've given away my age a bit now but

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in the 1970s you have the barrister who speaks in court and the solicitor who prepares the case

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for the barrister there are there are cases where solicitors can speak in court and serve

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of services but generally speaking the sense to prepare the case so that's is what I was training for

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and I did a lot of criminal law and I had some unique experiences which actually affected me and

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helped me when I came to write later on I had a lot of life experiences that were that your average

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person is not going to get unless you work say in criminal law because you're going to come into

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contact with people like for a metal class kid if in my out bringing wow you know like people who use

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the knife who might kill I mean I can give you a real life example with the type of thing that you

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would only see in a movie or on TV one day I got a call I had to go to a to the old Bailey as a young

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clerk take some papers and deliver them on the desk the bench to the barrister that's all it was

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so I go into this incredible chamber it was dark and the benches seemed very high the judges in

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his wig and the red robe there's a jury set up and there's a little lady in the in the defendant box

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and I had come in unbeknownst to me at the tail end of a murder case and she was charged with murdering

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a young baby that man somehow fell out of a cop she was a carer and I was looking down at the bench

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and they were photographs of this baby and I was going what is happening it was so unreal

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and I had arrived at a point where the jury was going to be sent out to deliver the verdict and I'm

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telling you Chris if you had seen this lady you would have said she's not guilty of murder I don't know

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how this came about I that was my instinct straight away like please you're not going to convict

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this person she couldn't commit murder I'm sorry so we went through the waiting period well eventually

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they come back it's like watching a movie the foreman stands up you know do you have a verdict

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up which you're all agreed yes you're working if he stands up they said and they hand the verdict to

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the judge he reads it he hands it back and the foreman said his ass and how do you plead

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we find the defendant not guilty she collapses into the arms of a police officer who's by her side

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I collapsed I mean I thought my goodness I was right I knew she didn't do it but it affected me

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for the rest of my life because I would never have gotten that close to that situation I don't

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have seen it in the movie but it's real it's real and the person who is charged is real and her life

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was in the balance and that kind of experience it was so real to me it's probably permeated my

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my writing because the law had a big effect on me in the the type of people and the situations

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that we get into in life is food for a writer I can tell you yeah that I can imagine I mean yeah

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I think that that is that that's the point my wife is a Samaritan she's quite amazed at the fact that

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all this happens because she's similar to in background to I guess what you had so she no idea

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that these things happen and yeah she's meant to put up with it on that and it is it is quite interesting

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isn't it I mean and that makes sense then really I guess because you're a musician right you're creative

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you know that's the sort of thing that you wanted to do and finding your sort of your meti

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like at that early age and then doing a deal with your father you know I that's yeah that's something

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so but at least you carried through though right and you did what you said but I bet he was not happy

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when you came home how long did it take you to tell him that that was what happened I'm going to

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give some spice to the interview because it was his whole life of course and he actually had

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an angina attack to this day I don't know if it was real or he was needing some thing I couldn't tell

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you but I did see him laid out and he was not healthy he didn't die or anything but he would say

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he had chest pains now that could have been an emotional blackmail situation it could have been like

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look what you're doing to be you have to stay with I mean it didn't materialize because I had crossed

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the rubricot I mean this was my life and this was it I paid a heavy price not only all kids go

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through the schooling all those years you've got to add on another five years on top of that

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and stay with it and I did it in order to complete that bargain with him but actually the experience

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of Lord did come in there's a book I wrote a story called act of desperation which is a court case

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about a an entertainer so the two things came together and it was the easiest thing you know the

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thing about a court they're so full of drama it's a different world when you get in the witness

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Bob it's all different your under the spotlight is he lying you know you're trying to destroy one

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another you know and with a cross examination it's like well very dramatic so for a writer

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it's ammunition it's fuel it's fantastic and I did do that easily I wrote that but it's come

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through in the writing course of becoming a musician in my teens what happened was I started to

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listen to all kinds of music jazz blues phone I was more into rhythmic type of music just I gravitated

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towards that but the cable point when I had to join other musicians I realized this is what you

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know when I'm listening to music I'm listening to bands playing not single people playing so I had

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to get together with and that did occur through different means but I started to listen to pop

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music because in the 90 in the 60s when the Beatles came along and beyond then it was like the world

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changed I was hearing music like just take the Beatles for example like a song like yesterday for

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example that is a jazz classic a standard it has the hallmarks of a jazz standard and yet it was a

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number one pop hit and something occurred inside me I went hold on a second pop music has got fantastic

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songs it's not all simple crap there's tons of amazing pop songs with strong messages great

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production ideas strong musical hooks and what got me was the brevity of it like in three minutes

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you can get all that crammed in with a strong message strong melody and have the world singing to

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your son and I was absolutely taken with it I thought there's something in here for me and I like

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the idea of of writing short strong powerful messages and I stretched out from blues into these

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different forms of playing and I studied them and I played with different musicians in those styles

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and what happened was I started to write words and I don't know where that came from I mean there's

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just a you know something that one has but I started to write pop lyrics because it was required

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for me to do so and plus I enjoyed doing it well after years of doing that I realized one day I

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thought you know something I've been writing lyrics for a long time and pop lyrics are usually about

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love but they always rhyme if you notice that they rhyme and I thought I've been writing poetry and I

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never realized it I wonder if I can now write poetry for real and then I embarked on this journey

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of coming up with what ended to be probably about 180 poems maybe that's not a lot if you

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an established poet but I covered every territory you can and there was a lot of humor in there the

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humor for me is absolutely fundamental because I cannot take anything seriously for too long eventually I

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so for me the comedy comedy stars comedy actors comedy movies it all came into my writing and I'd

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started to discover who I am I'm not just a blues pianist this was a stepping stone on a journey

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of self-discovery and I did have a massive hit with a band that I was in we had it in 1981 we had a

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hit record in South America you can still hear the song today it's played pretty much every day it's

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called a more AMOR we had a hit number one and it's it's a it's a song that my friend and I wrote in

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about 10 minutes it's three chords with a simple melody and a simple message and yet it went

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oh straight to number in that in that area and although it didn't make it in the UK it's still

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being played around the world on the internet and I make some money from that so yeah thank you very

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much so these things these elements of my personality came together began to realize that I I am an artist

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and that that is what I do but it's not limited to one thing and I don't think there's enough years

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in a lifetime to probably find out what we all have potential to do you know because everyone is

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is a genius in their own way and I do not accept that people are not geniuses in their own way they

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are unique it's a matter of somehow finding out what it is that one can do so from a young age

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I think my luck was that I had some drive inside me already but not every child does but the obligation

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is still there for parents and education to find out the strengths of and the interests of the

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child and bring that out because sometimes I mean I fall to against everything in order to to get

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that out I didn't have parents who said yeah you're good at music yeah great do it that's what you

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want to do I'm with you no my mom was but she kept her mouth shut but I think that is the key thing

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you have to do that and then the child will find out for themselves but give them the chance I mean

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if you're going to sit back and wait for the child to pop you know say I'll actually you know

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I'm a ballerino or I'm an artist I'm with this I'm with that I'm actually an architect you know I'm not

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I'm not I'm not it could be anything but if you can find out what it is and encourage it wow

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that's a duty I think we have to to kids I was just lucky that's something triggered maybe it's

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funny isn't it this isn't irony that my father the one thing he didn't want to have happened

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he probably on himself he brought the piano into the house not thinking that his son is going to go into

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music you're just supposed to be a rounded pupil right that's that's what it is right oh

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okay what an irony what a twist do you know honestly what were you like but I think that this is

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it I mean living vicariously if you like through you know one's children sometimes does happen

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and I must admit I did the same thing with my son I went to a careers fair with him all this

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was stuff and he was whatever 1230 and I was saying yeah yeah because he was quite sort of argumentative

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and all this was and really you know quite good at thinking if you like and creative thing not

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critical thinking and so it was a case of really I thought oh maybe he could actually become a lawyer

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or sister or whatever anyway so we shtrooped around all the places and he obviously comes across

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quite well but he had no passion you know no passion and so I just stepped away at that stage

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I thought no no no and one of the other things that I thought of that you when you were just talking

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there is about finding your talent and finding everything else and that reminds me of like elite

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athletes okay I don't know if you know this I you've seen it like you know when we had the Olympics

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here in the UK it was a case of this is when I discovered it that if you had a cyclist who was

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like a gold medal winning world cyclist kind of thing at the end of the day they didn't necessarily

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start out a cyclist they could have started out on the track running they could have done something

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but someone somewhere saw that they had that the drive to become the the top athlete in their field

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okay and so that they change sports along the way quite often which I thought was really

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interesting what a way to be mentored right as you were saying because I you know I don't think

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teachers nowadays really have got the time I'm not saying they don't have the inclination but

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it's only don't have the time for what I hear it's to be doing that and maybe when we were at school

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we you know we had careers teachers you know they took some time out you know they were actually

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doing that well careers people I guess but anyway yeah okay so sorry I started going on

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thing but somewhere in the way you obviously you started you started to write and that's great

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and looking at your books but one of the main things here and I think that this is coming across right

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well quite well to everybody is it's pretty clear you've got a particular way you'll see the world

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all right I mean yeah we always someone who spotted the ridiculous side of life or did writing

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comedy develop later on in your life really well I always loved the comedy field there's some

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some comedy actors stuck you know like some certain music sticks and then it has an effect on you

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and so there were milestones in comedy for example my one of my comic heroes is Spike Milligan

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now he has a lateral sense of humor it's completely mad and I absolutely love it

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and that's one type of humor that I have and I write that just naturally but if you take for example

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comedy films thinking one recently some like it hot this is a co-pack of wild do you remember that

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one with Jack? Yeah totally of course okay good good so that had such an impact on me

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and I was young you know like men dressed as women it has a different connotation today I get it

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but at that time it was like pantomide for me it's just like oh it's funny you know

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men dressed as a woman it absolutely cracked me up I saw that myth film over and over again and one day

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it said you know something I would I want to write my own some like it hot because I know I can do it

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you know and I did do it and I have done it and it's something that will be coming out it's

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it's inspired by that but it is not that but it is inspired by that so what happened is is that

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people like Spike Milligan that movie and many many other male brooks I mean I could just go

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and listing out all the great comics but the there is something that a triggered in me which I

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didn't know I had and that is the ability to write punch lines because it's one thing to enjoy

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humor it's another thing to write it because whether you're writing comedy or you're writing

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nonfiction or serious stuff it doesn't matter what you're writing the task is the same it is you

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and it's the blank piece of paper and it takes a lot to craft comedy writing it isn't even if you're

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in maybe a natural comic or a natural comedian when you sit down to write a script or you're writing

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something that's going to be published it's a bit different to a stand-up comedian who might

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be improvising because there are those that do that but then there are those that still

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write out their folder and it takes what it takes to write anything make it fit make it work

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you're choosing words should I say this and I say that is that the right trunch line and it drives

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you around the bend it's the same for me it was the same challenge as writing a serious love song

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it's the same thing dedication to the task okay there's B and a blank I know I can do it come on let's

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have an idea and I have my own way of doing it what what happens is is that for me I'm not a creator

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who walks down the street you know I can musician and whistles are tuned and then frashes back to

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the piano and finds the tune I don't do that I'm not thinking about music or story ideas during the day

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I have something with me and the touch if I'm on the piano I will compose something immediately if

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I'm not on the piano I don't even think about it there's some contact that happens and it's the

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same with writing if I sit down and I'm putting my hands on the typewriter the keyboard I will write

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something and as soon as I've written something it may be cracked but I'll write something else it

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always leads to something and that is how I write and I found that that comedy it now when I read

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back I'm going did I actually write this stuff could I do it again the dedication was intense I mean

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I wrote all these all these illustrated human books and I have now what they are actually there's seven

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books right but they were written as one set of work over the course of the year many many years

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again and what I did was I had them sitting on a shelf gathering dust and it was this year that

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circumstances worked out where it got them published and and so on but it's one body of work which I

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divided up into the books because that was the number is about 84 pieces and I divided it by seven and

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here we go but the but once I started that job it was no different to me working on a piece of music

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it is flat out there isn't anything else and what I've learned in my life and I say this to anybody if

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you probably know what I'm going to about to say but if you want to achieve something you have to

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sacrifice something something has to go to do something maybe big if you want to climb out Everest you

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can't stop halfway and go to waitrose because you forgot to do some shopping or take the dog for

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walk it's all out all or nothing you trained for that mountain you're climbing it and whatever it

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takes and those that go around you say okay he's climbing a mountain what are we going to do you have

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to put off things and suffer not having or being or doing things because of what you're doing and

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I would say to choose the life of a writer is it's probably comparable that sacrifice and dedication

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it doesn't just apply to a writer but I've experienced that with studying the law there's no messing

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about you don't study for five years and then screw it up it's a waste of five years do it or don't

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do it that is my attitude be a professional once you decide to do it go for it put everything into it

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but there was a price to pay in terms of friendships and all kinds of things I could have done

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instead of sitting at a piano writing the next phrase you know and spending all day on something

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really simple and that has been my life and I know that applies to a lot of other people

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what it takes to come up with something but for example working in a recording studio

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if you've ever been in a recording studio and you're watching people record it's like the public

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must curve that we're insane because you spend hours fiddling with one note to perfect it's not

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quite right you know or a painter without stroke with the brush you know or the writer do I put a

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comma here no not a comma it's going to be a semi-common surely oh I don't know I'll come back to it

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when you get into this detail and it takes time and that's but that is what it takes and now I can sit back

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at my tender age of a poem and I can say yeah I know what it took to create these products it's not

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that everybody's going to like what you do it's about your own honesty and your own integrity

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did you do the best that you could do because that's all you can do you can't guarantee anybody's

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going to like it or buy it but to sit back and not having put everything into it no that's not

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the way for me so I spent a long time on every task it's an all-on-nothing mission and the comedy

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of the writing these are things that there isn't really a question of how it comes about because

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everybody is unique and and you have everybody has something and that's something it is in me what

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it is I would never ask for example a famous artist well how come you're an artist and because they are

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that is their talent and they are demonstrating it so I can't explain where this stuff came from

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but I can say that I must have had a drive enough to push aside family considerations and

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friends and all the things that people are doing in their lives in the usual course of things I

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haven't done any of it if I'm I'm happiest when I'm creating and it is frustrating because it's me

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and I'm a keyboard or me in just a room writing but that is the life and I wouldn't have all these

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products and I have quite a bunch and with more coming and I wouldn't have them if I didn't make that

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so I think my advice to anybody is when you do something do it as a professional put your heart

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and soul into it and then you at least will be happy with what you did and how you did it well exactly

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it came to mind earlier on when you were saying about writing comedy Jerry Seinfeld and George

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Kustanzer could have done with that sort of advice I think if you remember the Seinfeld episode

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where they were trying to write a pilot for a new series and they basically just messed around

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doing it and they didn't know what they were doing they could never sit down and do it people are

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going to get the idea from you I mean this is the point concentrate on something and be professional

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in what you're doing right I mean and does your mind obviously works like this all the time then

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you know in terms of being able to you know to look at completely ordinary things and see

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something ridiculous in it and then concentrate on actually being able to put something together

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whether whether or even if it's not ridiculous you know in your music as well I mean

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what's interesting though is that you see me equally comfortable producing something that delivers

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a laugh in just a couple of lines like a punch line as you say right and something much much much

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much more elaborate like the Jazz Gate scandal for instance which is harder right so which is

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harder actually making somebody laughing two sentences like Tim Vine in the UK I guess a punchline

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guy excuse me or keeping them laughing throughout an entire story because I put my hands on it

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so so you know so difficult as far as I can say though what do you think yes well that's a good

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example I didn't want to mention that book but that kind of it's it's it epitomizes really what

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we're talking about in that to write punch I think looking at the book if I try to analyze it

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objectively I think virtually every other line of dialogue is a punchline and I kept this up for

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like 95 pages I hope nobody falls asleep I'm fed I can't laugh anymore or it's not even funny but

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that book actually if you analyze it is not really a standard novel it's a hybrid publication

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because it is actually mostly dialogue I'm telling the story through dialogue not so much the

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narrative and it is and its source is genus is actually a screenplay which I converted into a novel

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because the screenplay is just sitting on a shelf doing nothing and it was one of these things I

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thought you know something I don't care what happens with this it's not going to be made into a movie

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that I can see at least not at this stage I will convert it into what looks like a novel and you

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can like it or not like it but the the work yeah I mean that's the same level of work and concentration

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to write that quantity of of jokes and and have a story with characters all who have ambitions and

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frustrations and there's intrigue and there's oh it's all kinds of stuff and the crazy cool case

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ah thank you thank you Chris the high point of the Jazzgate scandal is a psychotic courtroom

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scandal the lack of which is beyond even my imagination but it would never have happened

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for a head but for my legal training see it just came through because I know I made up my own rules

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there's no established core protocol I made my own core procedure in order to make it work but

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the feeling that you're in court and the opposition and the feelings the emotions and the

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cross-examination it's all in there and delivered with a comedic punch so if you like I would say if

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you like spike Milligan maybe some like it hot you like that book and of course it's quite well I

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want to say timely I don't know about that but it's central characters an American president right

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who's convinced it it's a famous jazz singer this is a made do you know something I actually wrote

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the the first idea for this book which I I have like here next to me the original manuscript

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in the 1990s and I realized that politics is always dirty and corrupt it doesn't change

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and there may be some good guys in there don't want to demean everybody but that side of politics

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it's like I was I wrote this stuff and this year I decided to publish this book and I had the same

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thought unit I thought you do something this book it look when you look at the cover my my own

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thought I've written the book and I designed the cover I thought is there a scandal going on that

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I don't know about it looks like there is one it's got the word gate which is very popular for

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scannitals jazz gate it's got the word scandal it's got the white house it's got the president

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and I thought do you know something I hope I'm not being prophetic

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because the well it goes the way it goes but yeah maybe maybe that will help with the you think

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that would help with the sales I don't know let's give it a whirl there you've got the SEO right

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there that's for sure right people might by thinking oh there's a scandal going on exactly so I'll be

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well yeah sorry I was just gonna say that you know it must be difficult now I mean I don't know

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where the political satire is something that you want to continue with considering you wrote that

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so long ago but that must be really difficult for people nowadays because you know real life just

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keeps getting more ridiculous than the fiction they can actually make up right yeah man it's

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quite amazing really okay so to wrap things up here it unfortunately which is a real shame because

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man I can imagine going down the pub with you it's quite interesting right you're a jazz pianist

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a composer is writing about a musician the singer you know showbiz and then there's the law again

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and sort and it's amazing I mean and that's the point right I mean the the the musician and the comedy

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writer do you I really want to know this do you think you use the same part of the brain for that

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because I know that it is slightly different my other son has is well anyway classical sort of

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choir and things like that and he's yeah I would say I would say so but what do you think

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well the the we have a part of the brain for creation is that right yeah

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that would that would include non comedy wouldn't it is creation I said well yeah but isn't

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isn't music kind of along the way of mathematics or math or maths or whatever you want to say okay I'm

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going to I'm going to solve this for you because I've heard that all my life yeah maybe it's because I

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hated school so much I didn't understand one word or symbol of mathematics and I heard this

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maths and music connection and the way I made sense of it was that when I'm recording music

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you're playing notes with chords you have a keyboard you have scales you have sections of a song

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it starts to look a bit mathematical it does and because of the synchronized the the the

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organization of thing that you could I can see the connection but I don't think that if you say well

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this kid is fantastic at maths is a musician but yeah he sure be I'm not sure your musicians

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we lose the maths yeah exactly right no I understand yeah I think it's a good point though I think

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it's that's a very good point you know um we think we as laypeople I guess we think it is because you

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know you're talking about beats and the four falls and but yeah as you say it's organization isn't it

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so okay so you've gone from the law to music all right and composition and now you've produced

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a substantial collection of comedy books what's the next thing that's going to get Steven Trio into trouble

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well we have something very special for the world because the a couple of the books actually

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I've got five books and I'm going to confess something I've sort of confessed it I'll just go the whole

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way now the five books they look like novels and you can read them as novels because they are stories

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but they are told more through dialogue than narrative and

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that means that they have the potential because I when I wrote them I was thinking more

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movers because this if you like I'm looking at my lifetime you know like where is it all going

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and I recently realized what it was all about and it wasn't about music it wasn't about

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writing in the end as much as I love it it seemed to be collectively an artistic endeavour that

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contain a lot of different threads and elements to it but me as a person my ended up with my true love

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being movies because in the songs that I write you're coming up with characters and storylines

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and they and somebody is singing the story well singing is still it's talking but you're singing

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words it's a story that you're unfolding and when I got into writing it's it's always you're

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writing about people even if I'm writing about an insect that can speak and I do that kind of thing

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but it's still for me that's a person with who has something to say it's speech it's characters

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and the influence of music in movies well there's a connection for you um is so strong inside of me

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that it's more powerful to to to create a character like let's say I'm writing a poem or a story

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about a person as I've done in my books but to see them come to life oh this is different

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it's like if you were a cartoon creature interviewing a cartoon creature the audience would go

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yawned but we're real people with real feelings and emotion and experiences to bring the characters

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that I'm writing about to life that makes it all worthwhile it's like I was been climbing a

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mountain and I didn't know I was on the mountain I'm going up one step with the time doing this

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if you were to use that I could write another song right at the time and where is this going

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and we are going to we are now producing we've started one of the books is now being made into a movie

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and I have another book which is going to be made into a movie full-length movie after that

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and then there's another four half hour short films and this is a major major product and it's

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going to end up they are comedy with real people and real ambitions and frustrations but I put it

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into a you know I comedy drama is what it comedy drama is fascinating because you have real people

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with real aspirations real frustrations real upsets real drama but you have comedy and the

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combination of comedy and drama is a unique genre it is unique because not everybody it's not

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let's it's not slapstick comedy it's real people I was thinking recently of Little Voice which I love

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that film with Michael Caine you've seen it little boy I haven't seen that oh you've got to see it

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but anyway it's still a comedy drama you're looking at real people and they you could sense there if

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they're what they're going through and yet you're laughing you're ahead of them so comedy drama is

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unique because you can make people laugh but make them think and feel and see the way problems

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are get resolved and for me I think all the writing it all it's all about people and to put it make

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it make them real that is is it for me I mean if I could make all the poems real put them all on

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stage with acting yes that would do it it's like if I were to recite my poetry I'd give it some life

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and if I need other people give them a script and bring it to life that's all it's bring it to life so

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move is for me yeah this is going to be very very interesting so these are big projects big big projects

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I'm glad I asked you that now I bought wow yes really good I was going to give it as the

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icing on the on the dough the cherry on top of the variant oh my god so all right currently not

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today what you're doing we're doing the vehicle a voice to die for here so yes and this book is written

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as a short novel but it is basically a converted script and it is writ broad it's got comedy but it

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has drama and it's tear jerker it's got everything in it and the the guys that are now working on the

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movie when the penny dropped as to what this was about when you've got something this is going to be good

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see this links with what I was saying about when you if I had tried to write this say 20 30 40 years ago

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I couldn't have done it I needed to live and experience and I don't want to put anybody off saying

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that you can't write a script or movie unless you live that's absolute rubbish because we all have

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an imagination go for it it just so happens I'm just saying that because in my for me the experience

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of a lifetime has allowed me to write the the stories so this one is coming to life and it is

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commercially crafted it's written with dedication and professionalism

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and it is not overly complicated it's powerful it's fast it's dramatic it's romantic it has all the

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elements that you want with a with a nice happy ending but you have to arrive at that ending

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that you're way through the driver and some comedy some musicians story it's about a singer

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and there we go again see I do this naturally exactly well listen and that is the voice to die for

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right and that's got quite a striking cover hasn't it the book I just seem to remember for

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looking through these hey low and it appeared okay right well unfortunately we really are out of

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the time Steven and book how and where would be the best places for people to discover your books

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and music you know your socials or anything else like that I would go to my website which is

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Steven Trio dot coml there you go nice and simple and they can they can find your your books on

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there and also books of there yeah you have reviews on there and you have description book

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descriptions and where you go exactly well Steven Trio thank you for it and entertaining trip

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through your life actually and everything that we've done that that that you've done that was me

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I'm trying to take some credit for it and really that you've done throughout your life to get to

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where you are now I wish you all the luck but you know possible obviously with the future movies and

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and TV shows I guess right but thank you very much for joining me on Author Conversations I've

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been Chris Dabbs and you know people you've heard it right you know that what Steven is going to

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write and has written already of course is really quite interesting if you don't know Spike Milligan

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you need to be looking up Spike Milligan and if you haven't seen either the movies that you mentioned

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you know some like it hot and little voice was it yeah we're okay check those out because what for

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me I'd say especially some like it hot you know I can't believe how old that movie is it's just so

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good anyway right enough enough of that rather as I'll start talking so thank you again Stephen

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has been lovely to have you on that was really great really enjoyed it fantastic excellent well

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hopefully speak to you again soon about another project thanks very much all right bye bye thanks

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