Steven Cole Interview | NASA Engineer Explains the Holy Spirit | Author Conversations with Chris Dabbs

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Hello, I'm Chris Stabs and welcome to author conversations.

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Today we're focusing on one particular title from a highly prolific Christian author,

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Stephen W. Cole.

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Catch the Wave, Experience the Thrill of Spirit-empowered Living is the book that we're

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going to be talking about today.

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Drawing on a career that began in engineering, including 25 years at NASA's Jet Propulsion

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Laboratory, Stephen brings the structured and practical approach to a topic, which is

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often seen as deeply spiritual and experiential, the ministry and the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

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To catch the wave, I should say, he sets out to make the subject accessible and personal,

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helping readers understand who the Holy Spirit is, why the Holy Spirit is given to the church,

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and how spiritual gifts may operate in everyday life.

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Although Stephen has written many books exploring Christian growth and discipleship, today

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we're concentrating on this particular work and the insights behind it.

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Let's begin our conversation about catch the wave.

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So, I, Stephen, lovely to meet you.

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Yeah, it's great to meet you.

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Do you know what?

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I'm actually really looking forward to this because I've forgotten all my religious education

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from when I was a young age.

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And so the Holy Spirit, we're recording this post-easter, so there is some stuff going on

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there, if that's part of that, the religion or whatever it is that you may follow as a listener.

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But tell us, tell us.

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I mean, how basically did you come up with the idea for this one?

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How did you get inspired to write catch the wave?

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Well, I was saved shortly before the Jesus people revolution won a lot of drugies and street

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people and just a lot of college kids came to the Lord and there was a lot of conversation

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about the Holy Spirit, the baptism in the Holy Spirit and how to cooperate with the Holy

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Spirit and doing miracles.

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And later on in my Christian life, I felt that that had been lost to a great extent, even

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though I'd been attending charismatic churches for a long time.

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Churches have believed in the movement of the Holy Spirit among the congregation.

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It wasn't, didn't seem to be taught a lot, so I approached a pastor and requested permission

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to a seminar of the Holy Spirit once a month, about a two hour seminar, talking about who

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the Holy Spirit is, what the baptism in the Holy Spirit is, an immersion in the Holy Spirit

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and what the gifts of the Spirit are and how they function.

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And after doing that seminar for two years, once a month, I decided to put it into a book

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and everything that I had been teaching in that seminar fell neatly into the book with

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the exception of the first chapter, which is my testimony, and it's basically an introduction

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to the reader of who I am and what I'm all about.

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Now it's interesting you mentioned Easter and God taking credit for the resurrection of

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Jesus.

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Each member of the Godhead, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, took independent credit for the

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resurrection of Jesus as they took independent credit for the creation of the universe and

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the creation of man on the earth.

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I find that interesting.

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Yeah, so do I actually.

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How does that work then?

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Because obviously that doesn't mean that we've got three universes, right?

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And etc.

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Correct.

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But each member of the Godhead operated not independent of the rest of the Godhead, but

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they were effectively showing their role in each of those events.

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Now the book as opposed to a lot of books on the Holy Spirit and his work with church,

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instead of being based on personal experience, it's primarily based on the Bible itself.

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In fact, in the second chapter, I talk about how Jesus did miracles and I use his own words

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to describe what the experience was like in Jesus healing a layman at the pool of Bethesda

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in Jerusalem.

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So tell us about that then.

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Well, you know, people think Jesus is God, God does miracles, Jesus does miracles.

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What's the big deal?

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But Jesus didn't do miracles as God.

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He did miracles as a human being because he was filling the role of a perfect human being

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so that he could die for us and take God's penalty for our sin.

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He had to become a fully enabled human being to go through that experience of taking our

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penalty on himself and dying for our sins, which is what we celebrate in good Friday, followed

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by Easter his resurrection.

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So Jesus performed the miracle, healing the man at the pool of Bethesda and the Pharisees,

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the opponents of Jesus instantly dragged him into a concave saying, you know, this is the

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Sabbath.

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How can you do this miracle on the Sabbath?

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This is wrong.

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And Jesus says, I can only do what I see the Father doing.

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In other words, it wasn't his idea.

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It was the Father's idea and he was acting in response to the Father's command, the Father's

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will in healing the man.

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And you think about what would happen if one man at this pool of Bethesda got healed?

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Well, there were a whole bunch of people around this pool and there was a legend that when

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the water was troubled, when it bubbled up.

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The first one to step into the water is it would be healed.

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Now we don't know if there was an Old Testament miracle because they were still under the

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Old Testament at the time or if this was just a fable, but one person is healed.

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Everyone else is looking for healing.

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So what's going to be the instant response?

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Hey, heal me.

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Get me.

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You know, talk to me.

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I want to be healed too.

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And Jesus turned and walked away because it wasn't the Father's will to heal anyone else.

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Elsewhere Jesus says, I can only say what I hear the Father saying.

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So Jesus was functioning not as God was skin on but as a human being.

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And He promises the works I've done, you'll do.

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And greater works than these.

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Will you do?

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Why?

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Because I go to my Father.

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Well, what happened when He went to His Father?

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120 people meeting in the upper room waiting for this gift that God was going to bestow

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on them become, became filled with a Holy Spirit and started doing the miracles that Jesus

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did, functioning as Jesus did, fulfilling His promise.

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And that's what the entire book is based upon.

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Well, that's interesting.

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Okay.

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So they underplayed a layman here.

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And so like thinking, that's fine.

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Yeah, I think that that kind of makes sense.

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So you're saying that Jesus was more of a conduit for exactly.

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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In fact, I say it takes three things for a miracle to happen.

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First, there has to be a need.

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God does to do fireworks demonstrations.

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He only responds to needs.

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Secondly, it has to be God's will.

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If God doesn't want to do it, there is no special prayer.

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There's no fast.

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You can go on.

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There's no...

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Anything...

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There's nothing you can do to talk God into doing what He doesn't want to do.

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If it's not God's idea, ain't going to happen.

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And then third, it requires the participation of a human being.

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In the first chapter of Genesis, when the Godhead is discussing the creation of man, he

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says that man is going to be in charge of every living thing on the earth that moves.

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So if God wanted to heal somebody or raise somebody from the dead, He had to cooperate with

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a human being because He's given the human being on earth that authority.

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So if God were to do it independently of a human being, He would be violating His own

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word.

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And God doesn't do that.

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So I can see the logic there, actually.

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So exactly right.

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So that makes a lot of sense to me now.

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So talking of logic, by the way, how did you being an engineer, highly logical, I guess,

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and slightly creative as well, right?

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Or slightly, you know what I mean?

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And a teacher, quite creative also.

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How did those two kind of, well, careers, I guess?

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And obviously if you'll make it if you're running those seminars, how did that influence

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your approach to this topic?

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I suppose really, one trying to say is, sometimes people say that science, for instance, and

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religion can't mix, but then everyone says, or everyone who is a scientist says, "Ah,

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no, that's all right.

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Don't worry, it does kind of thing."

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But how did that affect you in your approach?

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Well, I wasn't actually a scientist, I was an engineer.

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So I was dealing with things that human beings had thought about, created, and put together.

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And I was developing computerized instrumentation for NASA.

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I worked on everything from sub-ocean bottom penetration sonar to a four-year-sped

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cometer to look at planet-haryatmasters.

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And everything, every project I did was something different.

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And it was exciting, and I loved my job.

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I really, really did.

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If I had worked for the flight power supply section, and there actually was one, I

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would have been born to tears, and gone crazy.

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But everything that I did since I was in the instrumentation section was different.

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It was some other kind of instrumentation.

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And I loved my job.

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I really did.

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That's wonderful to hear now.

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But I also read the Bible, and I understood the truth of what's in the Bible, because people

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say, "Well, if there's a God, why didn't he tell us about it?"

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He did.

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He wrote a book.

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In fact, he wrote 66 of them.

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The number of books in the Bible.

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And that describes who God is and how he functions.

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So I was very careful to use Jesus as an example of how to work in the gifts of the Spirit,

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rather than human examples, because people can exaggerate, they can amplify what's going

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on.

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But if it's in the Word of God, and I can see how Jesus did the gifts of the Spirit, it

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becomes more grounded in the truth of the Bible than in human experience.

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Amazing.

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OK.

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So again, another question I've got then is, how did you realize and sort of land on specifically

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dealing with, I'm guessing, the communication of the Holy Spirit, explaining the Holy

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Spirit's people or giving, you know, acting as a God?

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I mean, how did you do this?

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I mean, is that how it works?

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Is that how the book works as a communication tool?

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Yes, basically, yes.

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In fact, the final chapter deals with how to hear God's voice, right?

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What it sounds like, what to do if you blow it, and God was speaking to you and you didn't

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realize it was him, and you didn't respond in obedience.

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If you fail to respond to God's voice three or four times, then God will stop talking to

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you unless you repent, unless you turn and say, "Boy, did I blow it?

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I'm sorry.

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Please speak to me again."

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Then God will resume talking to you.

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But if you just refuse to do it, you'll stop talking to you.

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And I think most believers are at that point where they may have, at one point, heard the voice

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of God.

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They didn't know what it was.

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They weren't sure that it was God.

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They didn't want to embarrass themselves for getting up and saying something that sounded

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crazy or sounded strange in the hopes that it was God's voice within them.

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So they stopped doing it and God stopped talking to them.

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But if we repent, if we ask for forgiveness, he'll start speaking to us again.

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And one thing I say in the book, and also I said it in a seminar repeatedly, is that if

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we're not sure that it's God, ask Him, if it really is God speaking to us, and we're

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honestly not sure, He'll tell us in some way I heard of one woman who if she thinks she

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heard the voice of God, she said, "God is this you?"

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And the hair on her left arm would stand out if it was.

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Just the left arm.

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Okay.

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With me, one of my main gifts, my most prominent gift is prophecy, saying God's words to

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a congregation or to an individual.

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And God would tell me something, and I'd wonder, is this you?

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And I'd ask Him.

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And if it was God, my teeth would tingle.

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Now I don't know physiologically how teeth could possibly tingle.

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But my teeth would tingle and I'd know, "Oh, that's God.

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Okay, I'll do it."

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And I did.

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Wow.

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That's incredible.

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Oh gosh.

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I'm going to have to start thinking about all my aches and pains in a different way.

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No, I'm sorry.

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I'm not.

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But anyway, yeah, I understand.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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Okay.

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So the Holy Spirit, let's move back to that because that is just another book there, by the

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way, Stephen, isn't it?

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Really?

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How to recognize what you're being spoken to, I think.

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But unless you've already written one, that deals with that subject.

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Well, actually, I only wrote one book.

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Believe it or not, I'm dyslexic.

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So writing one book was enough of a challenge for me.

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But fortunately, I had all the information from the seminar that I could just fit in the

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book and it fit it so automatically and nicely.

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Oh, that's okay then.

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That's okay.

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Wow.

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Okay, so you're dealing with dyslexia as well.

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I mean, that's amazing.

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Okay.

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So how would you then explain to somebody who doesn't understand or just is just coming to

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I don't know, feeling something?

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How would you explain how the Holy, or sorry, who the Holy Spirit is?

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You know, so someone who doesn't have any idea whatsoever of the concept?

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Well, I've been using the term Godhead and that's really who we're talking about.

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The Father who is the grand architect of all that is.

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The Son who is our Redeemer and the Holy Spirit who is the power, the motivator, the

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action of God.

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When God created the earth, Jesus spoke it into existence and the Spirit of God brooded

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like a hand brooding over his eggs, her eggs over the earth to make it habitable for human

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beings.

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It's three functioning as one.

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I believe it was, it doesn't matter who it is, but it's been said that a committee is great,

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it's only one person in the committee.

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Well the Godhead is a committee of three, but they all perfectly agree with one another.

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There's never infighting inside the Godhead.

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They function as one person.

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That's how I define the Godhead.

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That's how the scripture basically defines the Godhead.

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My logical part of my brain, the one that gets me into trouble.

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It says, okay, but why does there need to be three?

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I understand.

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I could get what you're saying about Jesus having to become a man in order to absorb our

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sins as it were.

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Redeemers.

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Redeem, the exactly.

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Thank you.

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The other side of it, the Holy Spirit, I'm not sure how that or he or he being disassociated

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from the other two, how does that help?

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Is that something that the Holy Spirit is when it moves amongst us?

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Is that what happens?

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Is that the mobile part of it?

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If you see what I mean?

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I guess you could define it as that, but we're dealing with a being who is transcendent

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of time.

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God wasn't created.

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He has always existed.

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And that'll blow your mind by itself.

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That there's this being who has always been there.

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And that created man told Adam and Eve the one sin that would throw them out of God's

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grace, out of God's goodness.

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And Eve was deceived by the serpent, but then Adam came home and Eve says, "I've taken

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the fruit that we're not supposed to have, but it tastes good."

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And the serpent says, "It's to help us be wise and know the difference between good and

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evil."

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Isn't that a good thing?

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And Adam chose to sin.

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His choice to sin.

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He created the sin environment that we all live in, no matter how good you're trying to

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be, no matter how sinlessly perfect you're trying to live out your life.

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There's an element within you that makes you want to violate God's principles, that makes

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you want to do raw.

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Through it stealing a cookie when you're five years old or committing adultery later in

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life.

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Now, a lot of people don't do the big evil things, but they lie, they cheat, they steal,

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at least in part, they violate God's law in a number of ways.

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So everyone on earth needs a redeemer.

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They need for their sins to be dealt with because the only other way for God to deal with

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that sin is to put them in a place where God isn't.

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That place is called hell.

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For than anything else, it is a place where God isn't.

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And the absence of a loving, caring, redeeming God makes it such a horrible place.

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That's an interesting thought, isn't it?

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If we all live our lives, whether or not we're a true believer or not or an ethnic or atheist,

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whatever, it's quite interesting to think of somewhere where there is no God.

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I think it is like thinking that there is no afterlife.

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If you knew for certain that there wasn't an afterlife, for instance, would we all be

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different?

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Sure, we would be, wouldn't we?

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But obviously, through religion and all these other things, it's communicated to us.

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So, that's quite something to say, actually.

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Okay, so let's move on then.

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I need to know an example of how you've seen the Holy Spirit working through a believer.

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You've come across this, right, in your seminars and also in your worship too, I guess.

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Well, the doctor said my oldest son was born with epilepsy.

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And it didn't, it wasn't apparent until he started through puberty.

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When he started going through puberty, he started having convulsions.

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He would have five different epileptic seizures, from petty mall to riving on the floor, up

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to five or six times a day.

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They tried them on all the good medications, the best medications that they had, and he

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was allergic to all of them.

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What they finally had him on basically made him into a zombie, but it wasn't affecting

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the epilepsy.

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He was still having seizures.

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So my wife and I prayed for him almost literally every day for a solid year.

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Now, my oldest son tends to have a rebellious spirit.

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Okay, see, yes, even more.

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I say this guy is blue, he would say it's green.

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So, that's kind of thing.

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Well, we lost the connection there, by the way.

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So can we just go back a bit, and tell me about your son who was allergic to the drugs?

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That's all we lost the connection, so there.

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epilepsy.

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The drugs they finally had him on didn't control epilepsy, but they made him kind of a zombie.

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And my wife and I were praying almost literally every single day together for him to be healed

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of epilepsy.

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And I mentioned that my son had a rebellious attitude in his heart.

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And he was rebelling against God in his authority over his life.

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Well, one Wednesday night, he went to a youth meeting in the evening.

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And he heard God say, "Okay, I want you to go up and kneel at the front of the church,

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at the front of the sanctuary."

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And he did.

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And he got up.

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He was instantly, perfectly healed of epilepsy.

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He was healed so much that he went home and threw his pills in the toilet because he knew

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that he was healed.

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Now this medication would actually cause epileptic fits if you stopped it too suddenly, but he

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has never had another epileptic seizure since that day.

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He chose to cooperate with God, to submit to his authority and God instantly healed him.

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Well, that's great, isn't it?

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I mean, you know, I think that's the thing.

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Wow, there's some story.

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I'm so happy for you all.

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I can only imagine, really, luckily my children have been okay, but, you know, wow, thank goodness

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for that then.

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So I think the people will want to know, I'm sure you do cover this in the book, but how

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can people sort of begin to develop their relationship with the Holy Spirit so that they

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can hear when God is talking to them, I guess?

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And also hear or understand when the Holy Spirit is communicating as well, because I take

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the Holy Spirit doesn't have his own voice.

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Well, the voice of the Lord is like the, a lot like the voice of your own thoughts, but

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there is a unique tamer to it that once you learn to recognize it, you can recognize it

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as the voice of God.

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But it takes some practice, it takes some learning, which is why I say, if you're not sure

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if it's the voice of God, ask.

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And if it is God's voice, he'll let you know in some way specific to you that it's his

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voice.

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But this whole thing starts with accepting Jesus as your Savior.

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That's the starting point.

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That's one of the reasons I put my testimony as the first chapter of the book so that I

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could show my progression, first accepting Jesus as my Savior, then a few months later being

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filled or baptized immersed in the Holy Spirit and being able to hear God's voice and cooperate

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with Him in working the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

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Does that answer the question?

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Yeah, I guess so.

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I think it's just one of those things, isn't it?

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Like you said, we need to understand when this is happening.

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We need to be able to recognize when this is happening.

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So, hopefully, we're running out of time, by the way, Stephen, unfortunately, it's always

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the way I'm so sorry.

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But the last sort of question that hopefully we'll kind of bring all this together is is

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is that the key takeaway that you hope that readers will carry away with them after reading

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catch the wave?

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I mean, was there something else that you'd rather that they looked at that you think

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see more important than that?

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I wrote the book for one reason because this is God's intention for every believer to be

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able to be baptized in the Holy Spirit to be immersed in the Holy Spirit.

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To do the gifts of the Holy Spirit, there are nine of them.

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I arbitrarily divide them into three categories, gifts of speaking, gifts of knowing and gifts

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of doing.

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And being able to hear God's voice.

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It's a process, but it must be begun at some point for a believer.

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And a lot of churches don't teach it.

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Even charismatic churches that believe in the moving of the Holy Spirit in the congregation

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don't necessarily teach what the baptism in the Holy Spirit is or how to be baptized

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in the Holy Spirit because the pastors are afraid of unleashing the power of the Holy

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power of God in their congregations.

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They're afraid of losing control.

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And to some extent, I sympathize with that.

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But this is the purpose of God for believers to connect not just with Jesus' Savior, but

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with the Holy Spirit as a power so that we can do the works that Jesus did and greater

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works than Jesus did.

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Can I share the website?

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Yes, please do.

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It's called HolyspiritWave.net.

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That's Holy Spirit Wave all lowercase, no commas or periods, all one word.

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HolyspiritWave.net.

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And there are a number of unsolicited comments by people who've read the book and found

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it very helpful to them.

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And I'd like to encourage your listeners to connect to that website and see what it says

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about the book.

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I didn't write the book to get rich.

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I didn't write the book to get famous.

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I wrote the book so that the ability to connect with God can be shared with the majority

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of believers.

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There's a revival that's coming directly before Jesus returns to the earth.

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And what he wants is for the absolute maximum number of human beings to accept Jesus' Savior

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and go to heaven with him as part of his family.

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And one of the greatest ways that can happen is when ordinary believers who are filled with

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the Holy Spirit do the works that Jesus did, touching them in a very special way, praying

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for them, relieving pain, healing, delivering the gifts of the Spirit, words of knowledge,

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words of wisdom, words of prophecy, directly God's voice speaking through a human being

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to them.

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That can turn people around.

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That can make them realize that there really is a loving God who died for them, who died

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so that they can go to heaven.

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They can be part of God's family.

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They don't have to be exiled to a place where God isn't called hell.

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Everyone has eternal life.

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The question is where they're going to spend it.

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I want people to spend it in heaven with God.

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Exactly.

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Well, I think that most people would probably want that anyway, wouldn't they?

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But they need to know, as you say, it's not kind of what to do, but I guess it is kind of

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what to do, isn't it?

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In order to map.

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How to get there?

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Yeah, exactly.

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So like, a road map kind of thing, really.

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Well, listen, Stephen, this is being fascinating.

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Really, you have.

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Hopefully listeners, you guys have listened to what Stevens had to say.

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And it's caught you somewhere where you actually do now want to catch the wave.

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So if you remember, Stephen's website, Stephen, can you just say that again, please?

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Holy spirit wave.net.

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Holy spirit wave.net.

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Perfect.

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We'll try and put that on the screen as well for people to see.

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Thank you.

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So that can be done as well.

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So listen, Stephen, it's been wonderful talking to you.

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Stephen Colt, thank you very much for taking the time to talk to us today.

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God bless.

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Yeah, God bless to you too.

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And I tell you what, I wish you all the luck with your book.

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And your future writings as well.

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And hopefully we'll speak again soon.

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Thanks very much.

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Well, I'm 77 years old.

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I think I've done writing.

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Well, you don't look it.

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So that's all I can say.

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That's that's good.

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Okay, fair enough.

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Done writing.

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But here it is nice and white.

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Yeah, but so is mine.

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And I'm not 77.

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But there you have.

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Lovely to meet you.

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And, well, okay, hopefully we'll meet again in the future somehow.

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Take care.

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Take care and have a great rest of the day.

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