Steve Denton Interview | Finding Strength Through Faith | Author Conversations with Chris Dabbs

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Well, hello Steve, thanks for joining us, it's going to be great to talk to you today.

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So first of all, the best thing to do is to tell everybody who you are really, I guess,

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and you know, a bit about your background.

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All right, okay, well I'm no one special.

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My story really, the way I'm on here, I suppose is because I wrote a book about my life,

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and that was that happened because I married a lady seven years ago now, and two months

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later she was diagnosed with the Asbestos cancer, whose name I can never remember, they gave

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her eight months to live, and sure enough she died like two weeks before our first anniversary.

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When a friend of mine said you should write a book about your life, and it seemed to resonate

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with me there and then I went home that night, I started writing about my life, and I finished

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it in exactly two weeks on the day of our first anniversary, which all seems very kind

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of timely, should we say?

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Yeah.

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It's like predestined, isn't it? You would definitely use the sector.

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Great believer in predestination.

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So yes, predestination, providence, whatever word you want to throw with it.

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I am a Christian.

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When I mean by that, I live in relationship to God, and I believe he directs my life, and

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indeed what has sprung from this as tragic as losing someone is, is birthed so much in my

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life.

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I've actually started doing my own podcast last week, so that came from writing this book

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as well.

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It's amazing where life can take you.

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Just open up that you don't expect, especially if you think of it in that way.

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Did you know that your wife was ill when you were married first?

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No.

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No, it came out of the blue then.

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Oh, completely.

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She was fit and healthy.

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We don't expect these things, do we?

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It's a deep story.

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I mean, it's all laid out in my book, but as a Christian, I believe, everything that happens

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to me is happening for a reason, which really helped me.

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I went through the grief and cried my eyes out with them.

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We had eight months.

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No, and she was going.

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At first, we believed, I believe, certainly that God was going to heal her.

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I said, "Now this isn't the God I serve.

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He wouldn't do this to me.

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I've just married her."

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However, I now understand it a lot better.

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What happened is what was meant to happen.

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I mean, we all have to die at some point.

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Along that journey, I think it was about two months before she died.

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It was a very powerful moment one morning.

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We were listening to an old preacher, David Porson, tell a story about someone.

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He was visiting that was dying and actually asked him, "Will you go home and pray and ask

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God if I'm going to die?"

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He went home and he said, "He felt God said to him, "Yes, I'm going to take her."

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He said, "I didn't know how to go back and break the news to her."

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But when he did go back, he said, "God had already told her as well, so I didn't have to."

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At that moment, Chris, me and Angie felt this piece.

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The only way I can describe it, at that moment, I knew God wasn't a healer.

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He was going to take her and I just had to deal with it.

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By now, as I say, I understand it a lot more.

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I think that's the thing, isn't it?

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I was interviewing somebody yesterday who also has Christian beliefs in such a way.

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It's one of those things you can't ask for a result to happen, can you?

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It's kind of like, if it's God's way, it's God's way, right?

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I've learnt this more and more in life.

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The Bible tells me that God's thoughts are not like my thoughts and His ways are not

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like my ways and thank goodness.

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Because as humans, we think we know what's right, we think we know what we're doing.

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I mean, I had also the plans with Angie to what we were going to do, once we were married,

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where we were going to live.

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As you do, you make your plans.

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But obviously, I didn't know what God knows.

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He had a very different path for me in life, which is now coming to fruition.

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So, yeah.

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Which is a good thing, Steve.

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That's the way, I suppose, we have to.

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It's much better than that.

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It's much better than I feel.

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So, what does gracefully broken mean to you now, then?

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Is that a reference back to how you felt at the time being potentially broken?

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Or how does that help?

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Yes.

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It's a type of a song by a lady called Tasha Cobb, American Gospel singer, which always

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kind of resonate with me.

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It's a beautiful song.

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But I never understood it in the way I understand it now.

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My life wasn't good to be honest when I married Angie.

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And what I mean by that is the way I was living wasn't good.

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I was living in disobedience to God.

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And I had been for a long time knowing what I was doing wasn't right.

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And that was, you know, the Bible also tells me that God disciplines those He loves.

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As any parent does for a child they love.

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And that was God beating me.

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You know, I met Angie for a reason.

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I went through that for a reason.

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And it put me right back on track.

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I got the message.

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Can I put it that way?

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I got the message behind the punishment.

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And a little I grieved and it was awful.

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I lost her and you know, I wasn't just me who lost her, a daughter's did as well.

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But for me, what I took out of it was that.

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And it helped me understand, you know, death and the meaning of life really.

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And what it's led to is I keep saying is it's mind blowing for me personally, you know?

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It's mind blowing.

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It must be.

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It must be, you know, you've got to try and come to terms with the personal grief.

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And then again, I guess knowing that that's not necessarily what you know, I can't imagine

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right how difficult that was.

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But surely, yeah, as you say, do you Christians help you through that?

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Yes.

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I mean, Chris, I'll tell you a story I found out because I was sharing this months later

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with some ladies in the church with my pastor.

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And it was, it happened during COVID.

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She actually died the week of lockdown, which made it even more bizarre for me.

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You know, I had trouble going to anyone's house.

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I had 10 people at a funeral.

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That's all I was allowed.

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So I had to deal with all this.

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And, you know, I was going through the grief and everything as well.

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It was the most surreal kind of time for me going through that.

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Sorry, I forgot the piano was well.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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You'll come to it.

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Don't worry.

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This is what happens all the time.

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But, you know, this is what we do, right?

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We're just, we're talking about things.

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But, okay, let me ask you about your early years then in Cardiff and Birchgrove.

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Right.

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How did they kind of help you?

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You know, what experiences do you see that really helped you to push forward using those?

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Do you see what it means?

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I've got nothing to complain about, Chris.

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My early years, my whole life growing up, I feel privileged.

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You know, I'm very mindful of what people go through in the world.

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I mean, how many charities have we got in Britain alone?

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And why have we got them?

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You know, there's so many problems that people go through.

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I'm actually involved in my wife, Foster's children.

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I've remarried since that's one of the amazing things.

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And she wanted to go into fostering.

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Now, I'd never, I never saw that for me.

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I'm, I know, no, I've had kids.

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I'm done with all that.

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But sure enough, again, I feel like it was God's will and I went into it.

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So I'm involved in that.

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And I appreciate, man, some of these kids we've had through our care and our house, what

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they've been through.

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I've got nothing to moan about, you know?

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So those early years stood me in good stead.

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And I've learnt, you know, we used the word predestination earlier and I said it was providence.

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I've learnt that God teaches us through life, summer and some of us are listening and some

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of us don't want to know.

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But really if you look back on your life, I believe we've all got gifts we've been given.

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In various shapes and forms, we're all good at something.

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It's in us, isn't it?

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To do something.

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And it's a matter of finding that niche in life that gives you purpose.

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And God in my life really, that's it.

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It's not a religion, like I say, it's a relationship.

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He shows me.

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If I'm listening, what I should be doing, I know I'm good.

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I know I'm not good at it.

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And, you know, I've found those niches through being a Christian.

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So, but your whole life kind of shapes that.

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I'll give you one particular instance.

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As a six-year-old kid, I was an only child up to the age of 11 when my parents had my sister.

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But up to that age, I learned to amuse myself as an only child in Britain in the 1960s.

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OK?

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So I used to play subutieo.

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I don't know if you know the football game subutieo.

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I am used to...

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I get around that, I do.

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Right, yeah.

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So I played low to that.

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And I used to keep fixtures and tables in a little booklet all doing it while I was six,

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seven years old.

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At the age of 30, I started running five aside leagues, doing exactly the same thing only

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on a massive scale in which I'd never dream what happened to me.

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Now, that's what I'm talking about.

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It's got kind of trains people in their youth or through their life for something they're

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going to do later on in life.

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And when you get there, you're fully equipped.

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You don't think you are, but you are.

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You've been through all those experiences in life which enable you to perform your purpose.

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It's the most amazing thing.

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Yeah, I completely agree with you, Steve.

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I think that's absolutely the truth, isn't it?

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And the more authors I talk to, the more people I talk to.

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And the more experiences I have, I see that if people think that an experience is bad,

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for instance, or it's over or whatever, genuinely, I believe that they come back as you say.

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So you look at you, right?

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You did all of that when you were very young, you learnt to have it in it.

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And then all of a sudden you've made a change to people's lives by being able to use those

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skills to help them to go on.

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Because five aside football or soccer for other listeners is something that people live

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for, don't they?

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These days, can I tell you when I started the Chris and this

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amazed me.

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I never played what we call parks football, the 11-a-side game.

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I never played that.

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For reasons I won't go into now.

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When I started the five aside, it was in the 90s in Cardiff.

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And I put a little piece in the local press, the South Wales Echo saying I was going to do

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The next day I had 40 phone calls in relation.

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What are you doing?

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I want to join that kind of thing.

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I found out at that point because I really didn't know what I was doing.

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I was making up and so I was going along.

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I then had a phone call from the Welsh FA who also wanted to know who I was and what I was

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doing.

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They did it.

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Now these guys, without going into it again in debt, think they own football and that I

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had to do it through them.

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And I was saying, no, no, I'm just working for a charity and I was at the time just having

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some fun.

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I was doing it with the homeless of Cardiff at the time.

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There were five places in Cardiff that dealt with homeless people and they were all getting

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a team together and we were playing each other so it was wonderful but it progressed beyond

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that.

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But there was a niche that I knew nothing about.

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There was no five aside football, organized at the time.

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And I started that.

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And again, I see God knew that.

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I didn't and he led me to that because he'd already trained me for that.

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It's the most amazing.

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It's an example of what I was talking about earlier with Providence if you like, you know?

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And your skills taken you somewhere and fulfilling a purpose within them.

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So yeah, powerful stuff.

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It is powerful.

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It is powerful.

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I mean, there's no doubt.

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I think that that's an interesting thing.

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I mean, most people, many people go through hardship and struggle to move forward such as

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the homeless people that you're working with perhaps.

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How did you sort of change the way that you thought about things when you were going through

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your hardest times to enable you to move forward, to be able to re-marry, to be able to do

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what you did and cope through COVID because there must have been really lonely times have

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gone through that as well.

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Yes, it's a good point.

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Well, if I had to sum it up in the nutshell, it's again, I'm in relationship with the creator

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of all things.

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And when you have that relationship, you know, you hear people saying, oh God told me this

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God told me that I'm not one of them, but I read the Bible and that is God's Word, that

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is God's voice.

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it speaks loudly and tells you how to think.

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In fact, it transforms the way you think because we grow up in this world and our thinking is

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very much done for us, isn't it?

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but when you become a Christian, you have to completely and utterly change all that and

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the Bible tells you that.

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It says to be transformed by the renewing of your mind.

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That's the way it puts it.

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And so you start thinking and seeing life a totally different way.

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So the comfort for me when Angie died was knowing, first of all, where she was going.

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I didn't have any doubts or questions because she was also became a Christian in the time

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I met her.

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So I had peace in my heart knowing that although she's died and I've lost her, I'll see you

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again one day and I'm confident of that.

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Now, you know, I didn't have that before being a Christian because I didn't understand death

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or know where death led because we don't do it.

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We don't know what death is as it occurs on mankind and it's something most of us find

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really hard to deal with and I get that.

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You know, it's an awful experience to go through.

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I'd been through it, obviously, firsthand, but having an understanding of it certainly helps

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and having that peace in your life certainly helps.

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So that's my story.

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That's my way of, I think we all deal with grief differently, don't we?

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But for me, that's what helped me through that time.

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And as you say, I didn't have a lot of human support because I couldn't go in their houses

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and my mother, in fact, now says to me how terrible she feels about that.

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She said, "I can't believe we didn't let you in."

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Israel, yeah.

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Yeah, they were different times, weren't they?

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We really did think differently.

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Oh, yeah, absolutely.

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Well, I tell you what, I mean, if you think about it and you think about all of these,

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the changes that you went through and you think about all those struggles and the way

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that your Christianity helps you, what do you hope that people get out of your life?

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You know, what are they reading?

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When they pick up your book, are they reading it to be helped or are they reading it for a

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story or what do you think?

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My goodness.

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You know, I'm not very good at that.

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I just wrote it and what came out came out, like I said, you know, it took me two weeks and

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you can actually read it in about three and a half hours.

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So it's not a long affair for a life, but it's full of my Tom Foulery as a youngster.

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I have lived a great life.

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You know, I've been very into music and as youngsters, we used to follow bands around the country

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recklessly at times with no thought of where we were going to sleep that night and there

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was no planning to it.

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It was just a desire to enjoy life and life to the full, if you like.

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So it's full of those kind of experiences and then things that I was led to like the football

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I've just referenced.

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You know, it pans out like that just rough areas of my life and hopefully that's quite entertaining.

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There's a few funny stories in it and what have you, but really at the end and again, this

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is a powerful thing when I meet Angie in the book, it becomes about her really and what she

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was going through.

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I mean, how many people go through cancer, Chris these days or any disease and a facing

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death and how do you face that as a person?

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I didn't have to face death myself.

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I had to watch her face it and little did I know at the time she was keeping the journal.

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She didn't tell me.

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She was going upstairs every night for a quiet half an hour or hour before I came up and she

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was writing down stuff that was going on in a mind and I only found it when she died and

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it blew me away to see what she'd written and I've actually used it in my book so the narrative

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at the end becomes her narrative.

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Now if that isn't helpful to people then, you know, I don't know what would be because

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it's her personal, it's powerful stuff.

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You know Chris, it's really what she was feeling and how she was dealing with having to leave

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her children and what she hoped for her children and all stuff like that and it's really

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a great blessing to have that at the end.

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So that's a rough guide of what the book's about.

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I see what you mean by that case.

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You know, I think that listeners, you should listen to, you should watch the, I mean,

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read it either.

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I mean, the idea of you weaving in the journal parts of Angie's story as well and I guess

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how it affected you at the same time, right?

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And then sort of moving around to that.

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What sort of things, if I may ask?

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What sort of things did she say?

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I mean, was it all sort of, you know, very sad or was she happy and joyous?

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But I mean, yeah, but yeah, both.

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I do know what you mean, yeah.

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I mean, the happy and the sad element when you read is the fact she's leaving and she

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knows she's leaving this earth and she's leaving behind two beautiful daughters, who one

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of whom would just have a second child.

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So she'd never see him grow up.

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I mean, this kid is now six years old, you know, and she's seen none of his life up to then

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she was leaving her other granddaughter, who was about seven or eight at the time, I think.

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So she's documenting her hopes for what they happens to them.

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I remember us saying, I hope their parents get married and, you know, stuff like that.

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To be honest, I haven't read it for a while, Chris, so I can't remember exactly everything

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she wrote, but to get, you know, a personal insight into a human like that is a wonderful

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blessing.

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And there's the sad part of it, sorry, the happy part of it where she is reflecting on the

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great time she's had in life, you know.

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I remember she couldn't get out of the house in the end because of breathing that was

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shutting down and all that kind of stuff.

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alive.

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She couldn't even get downstairs.

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So it was literally confined to the bathroom and bedroom upstairs.

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And she hadn't been baptized.

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And suddenly she wanted to be, but it was too late to do it out there in public.

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So I asked my pastor to come around and he was actually a very good friend of mine.

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And he came around and baptized her in the bath.

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And it was the most powerful thing.

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And he said, we took communion in the bedroom first.

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And her daughters were with us and a granddaughter.

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And he said that the blessings of life are your children.

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And he said, they're here with you now.

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And that run true with me, Anagy.

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They were the blessings of her life because she was actually abused as when she was young

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by her father.

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So she knew what a terrible life kids could have if the parents didn't perform as such,

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if I can word it like that.

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And she never wanted that for her children.

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They were her blessings.

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She loved them dearly.

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She worked hard to give them a life she didn't have as a child.

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And that's a lot of what I admire about you.

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You know that resilience to get through what she'd been through and be a better person

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for it, rather than blaming it for being as some people fall apart, who stuff like that.

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And they're not able to get their lives together from it, you know?

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But Anji was.

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And that's reflected in this as well.

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And I think that's a wonderful message for anyone going through troubles and what have

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you.

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And then you end up fostering.

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Exactly.

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No, I don't want to.

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But then Paul asked me about it.

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Why are you doing this?

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I said, well, if I'm honest with you, I'd rather not be.

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My life would be a lot easier if I didn't.

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But you know, we've got things to give.

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Like I said, I feel privileged to life I've had.

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If I can give back, then great, you know, and whatever capacity that is, then it's a duty

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on me to do that, you know?

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Well, listen, I think that that's amazing.

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I think some people call that paying it forward, you know, all around the world.

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That sort of thing, which is great, you know, we're running out of time, obviously, unfortunately,

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it's always the same.

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We get.

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I know.

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I know.

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I know.

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So tell us about the book.

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Have you had any great comments?

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All these sorts of things were, you know, listens, what are you hear?

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Because I know that sounds great.

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And, you know, I'd like to know a bit more about the bands that you followed, actually.

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That's something I always wanted to do.

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But I did.

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I was a punk rocker.

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So that gives you an idea of the bands I was going to see.

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More post-punk.

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So bands I've seen loads of times in my life.

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Back then, we're like Killing Joke, Bauer House.

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That kind of era of music, you know, I've since broadened as I've got older.

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I'm going to a jazz club tonight, so that gives you some idea of the difference.

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Well, I've got it.

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But, yeah, back then gigs were everything for me.

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And people of my age, I'm 60-ish.

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I won't get my full age away.

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I'm 60-ish.

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People of my age will recognize the kind of life back then in the sort of 80s, you know,

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the early 80s, especially where, you know, we're going to be in the 80s, you know,

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we all look for something to belong to, don't we?

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And back then, there were so many subcultures of music you could choose to belong to.

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I mean, I chose punk, but there were mods.

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There were rockers.

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There were, you know, modern romantics.

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There was scar.

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There was skinheads.

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There were all these kind of brands of music with a choice who to follow in.

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And they gave kind of purpose to your life.

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And it made you feel like you were belonging to something and so on.

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In fact, I often say that the stepping stones to me become the Christian were punk rock

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and Bob Marley.

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- Hang on a second.

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- Yeah.

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- Marley.

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But Bob Marley, when I got into him, little did I realize how much he was singing scripture.

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And I was listening to him, God, what are you singing?

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Make so much sense to me.

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I wish I could live like that.

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I wish I could be like that.

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I think anyone's into Bob Marley listens to what he's singing about because he's a great

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man of God.

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And what are you singing about really resonates with the world, peace and love and unity

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and all those things we all say we want, right?

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You all say we want those things, but living them is a different ballgame, isn't it?

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But yeah, that was a stepping stone for me to Christianity.

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- Oh, wow.

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That's the first time I've heard that, you know, well, I've got to say, but it's a great

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thing to kind of end on, I think.

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So Steve, tell us about the, to give us the title of your book, where everyone can go

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and get it.

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Are you doing an audio book?

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You know, how's that working?

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- Yeah, it's all out there, Chris.

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I've done an audio book.

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The books out there on about 40 platforms, so Amazon and all the sort of big book companies

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that the audio books out there in Amazon or audible is it?

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I'm not very clued up.

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I'm trying to learn about all these things, right?

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So it's all out.

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It's called Gracefully Broken, like I said, it's a three hour read, three and half hour read.

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And so I saw someone on social media to say, can you recommend a book I can't put down?

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So I recommended mine saying, you won't put it down because you can read it in three hours.

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And hopefully it's like watching the TV program, right?

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You watch it and so forth.

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You move on to the next one.

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- Sure.

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Yeah.

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Excellent.

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Well, listen, Steve Denton, thank you very much for joining us today.

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It's going to be fantastic.

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And I hope that we get to speak again soon.

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Are you planning to write any more books?

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- No, I was, but this is, as I said, Chris, it sent my life on the different course.

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I've just started doing actually his podcast.

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That's what it's led to.

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So I'm out there now on YouTube at the moment.

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The channel's called Word Thought Deed.

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And I've done my first one, I'm doing my second one this Sunday.

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I know some great, I've met some great people and great stories.

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And that's the sort of what I'm doing in podcast.

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- Excellent.

474
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So what was the story at the name again, sorry?

475
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,960
- Word Thought Deed.

476
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,960
- Word Thought Deed on YouTube, yeah.

477
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:09,960
- Excellent.

478
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,800
Well, everyone, go and listen to that as well.

479
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,120
Steve Denton, thank you very much for joining us.

480
00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:16,360
It has been a pleasure.

481
00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:19,000
And well, hopefully we'll speak again as I say.

482
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,000
Thanks so much.

483
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,000
- Thanks, Chris.

484
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,000
Bye, no.