He Turned Down the CIA… Then Wrote This Thriller | Robert Danger Workman

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Welcome to author conversations. I'm Chris Dabbs and today I'm joined by Robert Danger

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Workman. Yes, Danger Workman, I think you'll find, and easily author of assassination attempt

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Alone Wolfe Now, let's be serious for a second because Robert writes gritty, hard-world action

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thrillers, which are built around power, corruption, political theatre and characters who do not

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exactly tiptoe through life. No, no. So, at the centre of this novel, his New York private

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investigator, Nick Wolfe. Now, Nick's a man pulled into his most dangerous case yet when

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the murder of his longtime mentor points towards something that's far bigger than just one crime

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scene. So, as Wolfe digs deeper, the trail leads into a conspiracy that could reach the

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highest levels of American power, believe it or not. But this is not just a lone hero

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story. The book also gives real weight to a group of strong independent women around wolf.

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Now, that's from electoral wolf and trouble Wolfe to Ivan Jackson, Natalie Cox, Avalon,

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Centre and Donner. Now, they're not just there for the hell of it, they're there to bring

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influence, resilience, humour and danger of their own and on their own terms. So, after

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that intro, Robert, welcome to author conversations. How are you doing?

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Thank you, Chris. I'm doing quite well. I think you can see it's a nice data. Be talking

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to someone about books.

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Yeah, absolutely. I can see this and I can see your ranch behind you. I'm very jealous

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because obviously that's all I've got as a studio with me. But there we go. Okay. So, let's

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jump in then straight away because I think we're going to enjoy this conversation. Now, you've

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written three action thriller novels, but you've also written three nonfiction books as

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well. So, you're quite prolific as an author, right? So, tell us about the books.

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Old of them. I'll try to make the nonfiction short because we're really going to talk about

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the novels and so's their what they're brought in center now. But I kept getting fired.

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I was a salesman. Well, I was a writer on my life and all my friends, they knew what they're

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going to do in their lives. This friend, he's going to be a mechanic. This guy's going

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to be an attorney. They're going to law school. This guy's going to be accountant. They all

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knew pretty much going into college and I was a writer. What am I going to do? My very first

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paid writing job. I got paid to write sales training literature. I do nothing about it. I was

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an academic. I knew nothing about it. But they gave me all the research. All I had to do

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was take the research, read it, and then write a little 1000 page, 1000 word piece on that

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subject. I thought it was fascinating. I wrote about how to call people to get appointments,

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how to make presentations, how to ask closing questions, how to actively listen, how to

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do all. I went into the office one day of my boss and said, hey, Joe, do you think I could,

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this is really fascinating stuff. Could I, do you think I could try this selling our programs?

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He says, you a writer want to go into sales? The next day I had an office, a secretary

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and a desk and a phone. And that's all I need. Anyway, I learned from the best guy you could

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possibly learn from from the get go. So every job I ever had, I was number one sales guy. I'm

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not brag. I mean, I was number one out of 800 people in one team out at 300 people and another

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team out of 100 people and other than I was consistently number one. And every time consistently,

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I got fired. Took about three or four or five years, but it was because the account base

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was established. The revenue stream was there. Yes, they loved me as their rep. But if I was

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gone, somebody else could step in that maybe was brand new and could do it for a third of the price

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that they were paying me the money for. I'm making too much money. So about a boom, about a being,

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that company's going in a new direction and you're not part of that direction. So I wrote a book called

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hired gun. I realized, you know what I am? I'm a hired gun. You got a new company. It needs revenue.

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It's like the old west town needs law and order. They'll pay any amount of money to get the guy

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fast gun into established law and order. But then he's there too long. He's too powerful. They're

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afraid of him. They get him out of there. Same story with every excellent salesman you got.

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So I wrote three books based on that concept, hired gun, which sold from I got it in airport

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bookstores because I wanted to sell the traveling salesman. I had an every airport bookstore from

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Miami to Anchorage and it sold out. I sold 10,000 printed copies. Matter of fact,

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there it is. The original hired good. It is people. Yes. Oh, okay. Right. So yeah, hired gun. So it's

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sold out. It did very well. Started launching a career. And I brought out the wonderfully creatively

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tighter title hired gun two. And then I brought out selling the most dangerous game. That was 10,

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15 years ago when I retired from that business, which afforded me to be able to live out here.

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I started riding the novels I always wanted to write and just couldn't get to because I was in

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the city. I was making money. I was driven. I had I didn't have time to be creative. I had to work.

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So now out here, I get here one year and I've cranked out two novels. And after three years,

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I finished the third one. And now I'm riding the fourth one. It's a lot different out here to write

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than it is in the city. I mean, I live in downtown Dallas in a warehouse that I bought.

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And I just was a hermit crab built it up around me and lived there. I tried to ride at night after

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I worked. But I mean, I had sirens and police and people banging on my door to buy drugs. And I just,

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oh, kinds of I got that. I got out. Now here comes a book. And before I finished the first book,

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I wrote this first chapter of the second book. And before I was halfway through the second book,

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I wrote the first chapter of this book, "Assassination of Tab," which was Jack getting murdered.

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And yes, it's really set to take place. This new book is set, "Assassination of Tab" takes place

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on the Cestors Centennial, upcoming. And it's in past tense. So when you read it, you're reading a

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first person past tense, neon-wired black and white detective thriller that hasn't happened yet.

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Now July 5th, it'll all seem correct. But yeah, he stumbles on. He just goes to work out.

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Stumbles on. He goes upstairs to the gym. Work sees the homicide detective. He knows there.

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And wonders why he's there. And his best friend has been murdered. And all he knows is

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my best friend, my mentor, my sensei had been nifed in the back. Ice picked in the back.

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So it's just almost a personal vendetta. I'm going to get the killer. Know you're staying out of this.

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Know I'm getting the killer. One thing after another leads to different things that tell you the

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reason why Jack got murdered is he was on the discovery of a big impending event, which is the

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assassination of the president on the Cestors Centennial as he speaks to the nation from the base

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of the Statue of Liberty. How are they going to do it? They have no clue. Who is going to do it? They

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have no clue. They know what, when, where, and why? They don't know who and they don't know how.

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And that's what the book. Hey premise. Love that. I love that. I just timely as well. Isn't it? Of

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course. Well, you know, go ahead. No, no, go on. You will say, well, I just when you said timely,

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you just, it just triggered. I'm sorry. I couldn't help but respond. They keep feeding me material.

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These books are easy. The material is easy for me to write about. I just wrap my story around

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what's happening. I almost feel like I'm plagiarized. My first book, "Mactual Impregneless" was all

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about pizza gate, the pedophiles in Washington DC. And I named them the Berkner House crew,

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the secret organization that runs the world financially. And how he takes those down. That's our first

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exposure to Nick Walton. In that book, it centers around his rescue of this child that he met previously.

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And that child happens to be the son of the world's wealthiest widow who has

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640,000 acres in South Texas as a cattle ranch and was recently widowed by

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the owner of the biggest fracking oil company in North Texas. So it was like a marriage of

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South Texas cattle in North Texas oil fracking. And so she's this multi-billionaire on the cover of

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Forbes Fortune. He meets her. She falls for him. He rescued her son. The next book begins with

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their marriage. It is called "immigration invasion." When I wrote that, we had 20 million people

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coming across our southern border, Willie Nellie. So I stated there is an alamo at the southern border.

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On the southern border, there is an alamo. It was used when they filmed the movie by John Wayne,

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the alamo. It's in a town called Brackettville, Texas. The whole alamo village is there still

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reconstructed to be a replica, three-quarter replica of the whole compound. It was a

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tourist site for a liar. So they end up defending against an invasion that is focused at that point

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at the alamo, with like a thousand volunteers against 40,000 combined Chinese, Hamas,

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and Mexican drug cartels coming across the border to invade and take joint-based San Antonio.

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And then fire missiles at the US from inside the US where they can't be tracked.

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So he and Electra, his new wife, are on their honeymoon, going down to South Texas on a train.

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And the next thing you know, they're at the alamo with machine guns defending against this invasion.

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And then there's assassination attempt. So these things just keep coming up and I go,

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how can I wrap a book around that?

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Yeah, well no, that sounds great. Obviously something that you really enjoy doing, right?

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So you can't argue with that. I mean, I was going to ask you about sometimes, you know,

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you're writing, these to be kind of, well, how can I say, I don't know, you walk a fine line,

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I think, between valid social comment, don't you? And to totally absurd. I mean, that's what they say.

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I've been told. Yeah, betting a train down to South Texas, please, with machine guns and stuff.

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But I don't know what the laws are like there in South Texas.

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Well, it's the third brigade of the Texas Army. Texas has its own army.

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And the third brigade of that army, its responsibility is 1,230 miles of the southern border.

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Mostly road construction and emergency but it is the Texas Armed Forces Army.

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And the third brigade is right there. And so who do I, you might like this. I have the commander

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of the third, the general in charge of the third brigade of the Texas Army in my book.

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It's General Reese Willoughby, he's Scottish. He married to Texan 10 years ago, they moved over here.

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So he is the general over like 500 Texas Army troops at Bracketville, ordered by the governor.

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And then some volunteers like period re-enactor volunteers with their cannons,

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Black powder cannon, and other volunteers that come. And about 1,000 guys find out and show up at

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the Alamo did defend. And so they're showing up with whatever they got. I got all with coutes with

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their duck guns shooting down drones from the corner. But you know what, that's probably what it

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would be like, right? So I mean, you know, it's not that absurd if you think about it. If there

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was a call to arms, everyone would go with whatever they had, right? Yeah, yeah. And so, you know,

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you've got an army there. You've got an army with army stuff, but you already got 500 guys.

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You know, you got other guys show up, but they bring what they've got, lever actions. Yeah, you're right.

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I walk a fine line. Well, brilliant. Well, let's go get onto Nick Wolf then because he feels like a very

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old school kind of private eye, right? And he's dropped into this modern political world of which he

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knows nothing, I guess. But what kind of hero did you actually want him to be, if you know what I mean?

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I'm really happy with the way he turned out. I really am because, uh, you know, when you start,

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right, I didn't think I was going to write several books. I wrote one book, Maximum Precious. That was

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my book. And I hope who is he and what is he and where does he operate on it? And what's his background?

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All of that is in there. But each book, each book that I write stands on, I wrote it to stand on

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its own. So if you only pick up immigration, then you go, wow, this was fun to read. But the trail,

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the the arc goes through the books. They meet, he and the electric meet, they get married at the

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Alamo, the Alamo happens assassination attempt. They they are married, but she wants him to get out

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of the case because it's too dangerous and he's not going to because he's going to get the guy who killed

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Jack. So it it arcs through and now in this fourth book, she's fed up with being the wife. She he gets

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to have all the fun. She's convinced him to retire so that he's not in danger anymore. So who's

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running around trying to solve this fourth case? Electra. Not knowing what the hell she's doing,

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but getting into trouble. And that's the name of his sister, trouble. It's just the

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Electra. Yeah, Nick Wolf's sister is trouble wolf and she is a pointillist artist. She's got an

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artist mentality just blew out there, but she's a pointillist artist with a Tommy gun. And she can

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draw your portrait with a Tommy gun on his play to steal at 25 feet. And that's not totally out there

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either because in the 1900s, the fabulous topper wanes were hired by Winchester to show off their new

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Winchester repeating rifles. And they toured the US drawing Indian chiefs in full head dress on

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tin plates with their rifles. So she's just brought it up to date. So she chives in every once

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a while with her Tommy gun. Which is great, right? So that's exactly what you want, right?

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Yeah, women with guns who are artists? Hot women with guns. These women are beautiful. I mean,

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in assassination attempt, Avalon is the world's hottest top stunning drop your jawed model.

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And she's got the hots for Nick. There are a couple of competitions of Nick, his wife,

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Electra, who's also stunningly beautiful and Avalon. Those I had fun writing.

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Yeah, I bet. I bet he did. I think that's the subject of another book. Sorry, another interview

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at some late night one, probably. But why was it important to you then to make sure that women weren't

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just like background figures or you know, like in a James Bond novel where they end up dead usually.

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Why why did you want to move away from that? That's very good. Because in my life, they have been.

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I mean, I've gone through my life and achieved a hell of a lot of good things. But pretty much every

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time if I look at who was supporting me getting that thing done, it was some really sharp, competent

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female person. And I've worked for several as well. I never had a problem working for a female boss.

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If they were competent enough for me to work for them and I admire them, you know. And I had some

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of these people are a malgames of people that I know. Some of these characters, like I have a lot of

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this one with a little bit of this and a little bit of that thrown in and there she is in the book. They're

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not, they're not foreign to complete fictional characters. A lot of these events and a lot of these

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people are real. They change the names to protect the guilty. But no, that's great though, isn't it?

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That you can draw on your experiences of strong, well, women, strong men, you know, all that sort

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of stuff because you've obviously right in a way that is sort of like neo-noir, right? So what's

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the use of a black and white kind of thing? You know, this, this, this, this, this cigarette, this city

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streets, this hard boiled dialogue and danger around every corner. So I mean, what attracts you to

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that style now more so than say the, the nonfiction? I don't know where I picked it up. But I was only

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like 17, I'd say 17, I picked up "I the Jewry" by Mickey Spillane and Reddett. It just grabbed me to

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where I couldn't let loose of it. And when I went to college, I was on a track team and you're all

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living together in the dorm. I'm there the first day. I got 40 friends and they filed out, you know,

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I was talking about stuff or talking about things we like or do and they, within about a month,

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four or five guys, they'd meet in the hallway and they'd be quoting lines from either Jewry at each

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other, you know. And I remember I got fast-nast out of reading a lot of Mickey Spillane books. I like the

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first person narrative. I think it pulls you really in the story. It limits this perspective, but it

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limits it. So you're discovering along with the character. I like that, right? I don't like third,

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I think third person's too easy. I mean, if I need something to happen, third person, okay,

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over here meanwhile, this guy, this character, I'll invent him and he's doing this. This guy doesn't

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know about that. Okay, you can do that, but I'd rather have you focused on the discovery, the involvement

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of how does he find this out and how does he move forward? What accident falls in his lap? That he

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normally wouldn't have, you know, things like that. So I remember talking to my mom,

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highly, highly, highly intelligent, one of your highly intelligent, strong women. She's president

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of the American Association of the University of Women in Washington, T.C., you know, it's very smart.

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And she read every act of the Christy book three, four, five times. She read every Leo Sayers book

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three, four, five times, just all these mysteries. And I asked her, I said, what would you say is the

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difference between the mystery books you like to read and the ones I like to read like Mickey's

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Filet and Raymond Chandler? She said, well, my books are a little more intellectual. Thanks, mom.

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It's so true. It's so true. They are. I mean, the time still stuff, right? Yeah, but I like, I like

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smashing the guy in the jaw with your fist and skin in your knuckles. You know, I like that. So,

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I like to read, I like to read books for guys who like to read books and I like to write books for

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guys who like to read books. And there's new ones on audio book. It's been submitted. You know, they take,

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they take 10 days to approve it and post it and everything, but it'll be everywhere. Amazon Spotify,

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iTunes and audible. Hopefully this week. And that will be fun. I'll tell you why because

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the guys who produced it, it's voice, it's, it's author narrated. So, it's me. You're going to hear

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me as Nick Wolf. But they got, that will actually work, right? I mean, you know, I think it's what I know how

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to intonate what he's thinking or saying because I wrote it. So we'll see if I did it in good. But they

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got a voice actress who did seven female roles. The ones you named. Everyone is a different voice

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actress. She did a lecturer like a billionaire, beautiful woman. She did Donna like a Bedford,

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Stuyveson, Brooklyn, secretary. She did Avalon like a French model from Marseille. I mean, I listened

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to, I want to hear this book in its entirety. I haven't heard it chapter one to 47 yet. I want to hear

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it just for the female voices in her play, you know. So, well, I think by the sound of it, because I,

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I mean, I've narrated a few audio books myself and I know how difficult the characters are, right?

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So, yeah, wow, that's incredible. So, okay. So I'm really interested though. You mentioned about Nick

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and you mentioned writing books, tough guy books for guys that like to read books, right? So,

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what did you discover about Nick Wolf then while writing this book, you know, obviously,

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so third, right? Or fourth, so I'm just saying sorry. That surprised you most about him. I mean,

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where did he go that you just didn't consider he was going to go? You know, when I write him,

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I write him thinking. You know, first person, you got to lose every leverage you can have at your

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hands. So, I give the reader inside into his thinking. When I do that, it's in italics. So, you'll

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have a whole paragraph or maybe just three words in italics, you know, like in this one he's thinking,

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I don't think she bought it, did she? Anyway, I have Minotalix and what did surprise me and it was

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in the very first book, a matter of fact, since you bring it up, it surprised me how deep his feelings

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could go. When he decides that he's going to rescue this kid that's been kidnapped on the

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national news. He's the son of a lector white, the billionaire, as he's been kidnapped and he just

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played catch with him in the rain the day before he jumps on a train back from New York to DC to find

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him and he goes underground literally to find and in writing about how he thought about this kid

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and then what he thought about these other kids that he rescued in the process like Dude doesn't

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encages. That surprised me. That was fun to learn that range. He's not just a top level superficial,

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tough guy with a fist and a 45. He's a guy with all of that plus much more. I mean his

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daryngear that I call it is a sawdoth 12 gauge pistol. That's his daryngear. He's a big guy.

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That's his daryngear. He's 6'4" 2" 43" but then he's rushing at the body guy says oh yeah,

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he's thinking let's see how you handle the bugs of Russia. 6'4" 2" 43" pounds and it's center the girl

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and she kicks him, breaks his jaw. She broke my jaw. You just love your own books. This is great

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stuff. It's fun to write. Yeah, oh god in assassination attempt. I told people I'm writing. I have

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some people that like to read the first two and I said I've told them oh god I put him through hell.

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That poor guy. He just held this book. Oh my gosh. Well do you know what? Obviously this is great. We're

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having great fun here but we're lucky. Unfortunately running out of time. Wow. Wow. It's

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incredible. So let's get to this end right for readers coming up for your work. You know for the

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first time what kind of ride should they expect from assassination attempt alone wolf because you

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said that you can come into each book separately right? Yes you can come into any book this

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effort. If the theme of immigration invasion that appeals to you more grab that one. It's a book

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on its own. But yeah I will tell you what my I love to read the reviews because most of them

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are favorable but I don't care if somebody gives me out I tell people at like bookside of

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your mouth I don't care if you give me a one or two star review. Give me a review but just make it

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honest. You know like hey the other thing this book's good for is a door stop. I would probably put

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that up as my post it and pin it at the top as my first review you know. The one I got said and I

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distinctly remember it. What did I just read? Is it set tire? Is it action? Is it mystery? I don't

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know but I do know this it was a wild ride so I would tell anybody any one of my books if you're

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going to pick it up get ready for a wild ride. Excellent we see Robert that is that is it because

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okay now I've got the great question for to end with right so did you ever worry this ride that you

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were writing did you ever worry that the story was going to go too far or is that exactly the point

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and that's what you're off to. Oh no because the first three books first one happens

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to October six months later they're married in the White House Rose Garden second book. It's only

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six months later. The third book is not even a year later they're still newlyweds when it's July 4,

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2026 because they got married on June of 20 yeah of 26 so I haven't even transpired a year yet

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in the character arcs here and there's still technically this the next book the fourth book is

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it's a Christmas book it's called Christmas Colt 45 it's set in LA this time so we go from New York to

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Texas to LA and everywhere basically so you get your influences from all over well this is Robert

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they did a good website for it's just my name Robert Dash Workman.com everything's on there

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more than you want to know. Look at you preempting my next question right. Sorry. So okay hang on a second

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Robert danger workman you have been great to be with for the last half an hour or so and I

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tell you what thank you for joining me on author conversations. I've been Chris Dabs but the book

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is assassination attempt alone wolf a gritty political thriller featuring private investigator Nick

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Wolfe a murder investigation that spirals towards a national conspiracy and a cast of powerful

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characters who bring danger or loyalty and sharp social comment to the page. You can find Robert's

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work through his Amazon author page and look for assassination attempt alone wolf wherever you get

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your books and obviously the audio books can be coming out soon and can you just tell us again

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what your website is Robert. Yeah just Robert Dash Workman.com. There you go perfect perfect.

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Well I hope you enjoyed having this conversation with me Robert and if you enjoyed listeners and

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viewers then please follow author conversations for more interviews with writers about the stories,

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and leave a review on the interview make your voice heard as it were so thanks again once more

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Robert danger workman for joining me on author conversations. Thank you much Chris and thoroughly

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enjoy. See you soon. Bye.

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